The Joe Rogan Flip Part Two

This topic needs a little more discussion than was covered in the last post. So here we go.

It is probably the strangest thing in the conspiracy community to see someone who has conviction and the information and the intelligence go from being a hardcore advocate for uncovering a conspiracy, to flipping completely to support the main stream lie in favor of the event.

This is exactly what Joe Rogan did, and it has left a lot of us asking why. Even one of his close friends, Eddie Bravo, asked him point blank on a podcast episode..."WHAT HAPPENED?"

He wanted to know what occurred to create that dramatic flip.

I admire Eddie for his passion to question mainstream lies and trying to keep an open mind. The cover ups are real. Anyone with eyes to see knows this. If you chose to be blind that is on you. And there is no real excuse for that anymore. The information and the ability to research these topics is easier and easier. Mainly due to the Internet and the abundance of information on just about every topic under the sun.

The thing I have noticed when Eddie gets on a rant discussing any conspiracy theory on Joe's show is that two things happen.

First, Eddie gets really worked up, and his ability to vocalize and assert his points gets muddied. I can accept that. He may not be the most eloquent speaker under pressure, but he definitely has the passion and the information. And he certainly has spent the time looking into the topics he brings up. The downside is that his points come across slightly unclear to the listener. If you are already versed in the topics he discusses, it is tolerable, because you know what he is trying to say, and it's easy enough to understand what he means. But to the every day person who has no exposure to these theories it may seem like incoherent ranting.

Second, Joe knows what Eddie is saying. And Joe is a professional interviewer. He knows how to help his guests along when they struggle. He also knows how to control the conversation and maneuver it to his liking. He does this with Eddie. He will deflect the conversation and steer it away from the topics when he wants. He let's Eddie work himself up on things like 9-11, then plays devils advocate to propose a false sense of balance to the argument. However when Eddie begins to dig into topics that show NASA lies, or theories that really question the paradigm, such as Flat Earth, Joe immediately takes control and mocks the ideas or controls the conversation completely away from the topic.

That is not to say that Rogan has not brought up Flat Earth Theory multiple times on his own, over the course of his podcast episodes. I count at least 10 times that the topic has come up on the Joe Rogan Experience.

At first Joe's responses to the idea were that of mockery. Mocking the concepts and mocking the people who are looking into the topic. In recent conversations he has slightly changed his tone. But only so slightly.

What seems to happen now is that Joe will allow the discussion of Flat Earth. He won't advocate for it, but he let's the topic be discussed on his show. It almost feels that he knows something but won't dare take the side of Flat Earth because that would be devistating to his career. He has to play the part and continue to advocate for NASA, and the globe earth. But maybe inside he knows something is not right. The problem is he has already taken sides. And he can't flip again. So his best approach is to bring the topic up to his audience, for no other reason than to get the ideas out there.

And his audience is massive. That is a lot of people who were exposed to the theory inadvertently. Undoubtedly many of them have been now researching the topic on their own because of it. So maybe, just maybe, Joe wants that. He doesn't want to hide the information. But he can't take sides because of his celebrity, his sponsors, his career...and what ever other reason he may have.

Joe and his staff have obviously watched many of the key videos and read some of the work on Flat Earth theory by some of the best in the community. Mark Sargent, Eric Dubay and others. And watching their videos, one has no other option than to seriously consider the veracity of the theory. They have done good work and their information is great.

Joe has definitely seen these videos and he knows something is up.

I wonder if he regrets flipping for the cause of NASA lies this early in his career. Maybe he had to. Maybe something happened behind the scenes we don't know about. But Joe is the kind of guy who generally has an open mind. So it would be foolish to assume that he doesn't consider these theories in depth.

I'll keep listening to his shows to see if the topic comes up again. I'm definitely curious to see how it will evolve in his podcast. It might be the beginning of change.

Joe Rogan Flip

One of the top podcasts in iTunes is the JRE experience podcast, with host, Joe Rogan. If you are a podcast aficionado, then for sure you have come across the show at least once.

Overall it is a great podcast and a great format. A three hour uncensored conversation with a guest. Exploring new ideas and concepts, and often it is just humorous enough to keep things light when they need to be, but not so trivial that serious concepts are neglected. In fact, that show is responsible for my exploration into many fringe topics and ideas, and to this day, I still consider it a resource.

However my personal admiration for the show has dropped a few pegs in recent past. I feel it’s more than justified, in light of the content he has put out recently.

Some background on Joe and his show to help understand this shift in opinion:

In the past Joe was an advocate for exposing NASA lies, specifically the moon landing hoax. In fact he was winning debates with just about anyone who wanted to confront him on the topic. 

He was die hard when it came to the issue of whether the moon missions were a hoax or not. To quote Joe from a few years ago: “There’s NO WAY we went to the moon, there's no way.”

He was adamant. He had conviction. And he had the information to back up his arguments in the debates he took on. It was admirable.

That was Joe from a few years ago. Then something happened. I don’t know exactly what it was but he did a complete flip on the topic. 

He now believes, (at least as he says in interviews and podcasts recently) that the missions all happened according to the NASA official story. We went to the moon, played golf, drove the rover around and took a phone call from president Nixon in the oval office to the lunar lander. 

What is the more unbelievable premise? I’m in the camp of the moon landings being 100 percent staged hoaxes. I can’t say what the reason was, but I can say with confidence that it was all faked. I don’t believe for a minute that it happened the way NASA said. I don’t believe it happened at all.

Some more background on Joe. He is an advocate of psychedelics and has stated that his perspective on the universe and what is real has expanded. He is definitely agnostic to concepts like intelligent design, and the nature of reality. He has quite an open mind when it comes to concepts of the unknown in most cases. He was even quite the conspiracy buff for quite a long time. 

Then two things took place in his career where a noticeable flip in his opinion took place.

One was his interview with Neil Degrasse Tyson. And one was his short lived show on the Syfy network.

The first instance he discussed the moon landings with Tyson. He let Tyson off easy with his explanations of what supposedly happened. Tyson offered up some pretty basic responses that any rookie moan hoax advocate could have torn apart if they really wanted. Joe chose not to hit those softballs out of the park. Instead he barely argued. It was almost as if he was starstruck by Tyson. Almost as if he thought Tyson was intellectually superior, because of his reputation. Even though to this day, I have yet to hear Tyson say anything profound that would make me think he is anything more than an actor and a mouthpiece for the science establishment. Nothing in his language or behavior makes me think he is smarter than me or the majority of the population. Only his supposed credentials say otherwise. 

The show that Joe did on SyFy was supposedly a conspiracy exploration show. “Joe Rogan Questions Everything” it was called. It was in essence a conspiracy debunking show. And it was just not very good. I was disappointed to say the least.

There was a third instance that comes to mind. I didn't lump it in with the two major turning points because it leans on the side of minor instances, however it was enough to make an impact on me. 

Joe interviewed a CIA agent on his podcast. The guy said he was sure that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in the Kennedy assassination.  Even if you are not a conspiracy guy, the Kennedy assasination is such a murky event that even ordinary every day main stream media people have questions on the official story.  When the agent said this, Joe gave him a pass and didn't press for more. It was such an obvious awkward exchange that it was painful to listen to. Why would he back off so easily in these events when we all know from his past that he is more than capable to drive that conversation any way he chooses. In all three of those circumstances he let things slide instead of pressing for some real interaction. Disappointing to say the least.

What it shows me is that one of our forward thinkers chose to stifle his ability to press for real answers and call for truth in the face of deciet. Where one of the best advocates for intelligent thinking changed his position, and played dumb in the face of subject matter experts. It was obvious through the interactions that Joe was feigning modesty in the level of his intelligence and understanding. The Joe from a few years ago would have mopped the floor with those guests on his shows. He has the ability and the comprehension. He chose not to. And many people want to know why.

It may be the only time in conspiracy theory culture that someone has changed their position so dramatically in favor of the main stream explanation of questionable events. Once you start to unravel a conspiracy, it is impossible to change your mind in favor of the main steam explanations, if you are being honest with yourself. It just doesn't happen. Until it did, in Joe Rogan's case.

It is curious that this flip happened after/during the interview with Neil Degrasse Tyson. Tyson is such an obvious shill that it is sickening to watch him parade around on the show circuit. He's more of an actor who vomits main stream talking points in order to package “science” as a cool hip part of the establishment dogma. For an astrophysicist he certainly doesn't sound or act like a guy who has profound answers to some of the universes mysteries. Just like Bill Nye, who started his career in comedy but now is the face of “science”, I believe that Tyson is just an actor. Someone is parading him around as a spokesman for the cause. 

Did someone get to Joe before the interview with Tyson? If Tyson is backed by the establishment, it's not inconceivable that those same powers gave Joe the hard choice in order to be able to entertain Tyson on his podcast show. Play ball or you're out. 

The Syfy show followed the painful interview with Neil Degrasse Tyson. Where Joe explores the bread and butter of conspiracy topics. Basically the most basic of the conspiracy world. Bigfoot, UFOs and the like. 

It was silly and no real investigation took place. But I'm sure some checks were cashed and Rogans career is booming. His podcast is still top of the charts and he still seems to be making some good money and living well. Not bad for a mediocre comedian.

I don't mean to put the guy down. Honestly, I respect the guy and his work ethic. I admire his insights on many topics. I find motivation from his shows and I think there is still some value there. I am just dissapointed and frustrated that the conspiracy world has lost such a great advocate who had potential to bring some momentum at a high profile level to the truth movement.

Maybe it's just not possible to have that kind of celebrity in our corner. Maybe once it reaches that level, the controlling powers find a way to silence it. Maybe it is impossible to reach that level of fame and success and still move against the grain of the powers that be. 

And maybe deep down Joe still has a desire for the truth. Even if he is not able to advocate for it anymore. 

But it won't stop the rest of the truth seekers out there.

Open your eyes